tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23964814.post2381746305318220421..comments2024-03-07T16:08:49.323+00:00Comments on London, Lanka and drums: Negative, Intelligent or Just a Wanker?Rhythmic Diasporahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15184142486414379805noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23964814.post-80959353651461673892007-02-22T05:43:00.000+00:002007-02-22T05:43:00.000+00:00CC - Thanks for the long and informative comment, ...CC - Thanks for the long and informative comment, I hope things have worked out for you.Rhythmic Diasporahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15184142486414379805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23964814.post-67603371558030691292007-02-21T12:52:00.000+00:002007-02-21T12:52:00.000+00:00I have found myself in this “intelligence trap” pa...I have found myself in this “intelligence trap” partly through frustration. It was during a time where I was working for a boss that used very definite negative reinforcement style. Who only after I asked him why he never appeared to show support to me to the rest of the business, he made a token gesture by attacking the “weakest” member of another departments management team. This did nothing more than inflame the situation, yet I was left to attempt to recover the position. <BR/><BR/>After finding my opinion being treated in the same way, with little or no regard to the “arguing” the relative merits of any position, I found myself becoming increasingly negative. It was not simply down to the need to “win” the argument, but a feeling of not being recognised for having an opinion which may be valid. <BR/><BR/>The overall emotional effect on both of us was very obvious for everyone to see. The major problem was for me that was neither would be able to contain our frustration. It spilt out into our other relationships and we both found that our need to release our frustration which inevitably ended in dragging others into the emotional discord.<BR/><BR/>Now with him being the superior in the business he had to resolve the situation to best suit himself which was to remove me. Now, yes I am still a little bitter but everyone could see how his attitude was effecting my demeanour yet it was of little concern to him.<BR/><BR/>I can see how I feel into the “intelligence trap” by virtue of the need to be heard and recognised to how a valid opinion. Where as the other person in the story has a poor grasp of the idea of <A HREF="papers.htm" REL="nofollow">“Emotional Intelligence”.</A><BR/><BR/>Hopefully I have highlighted how the surrounds and events leading up to that point has a bearing on whether the person is “Negative, Intelligent or Just a Wanker?”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23964814.post-4445279241998921382007-02-15T10:57:00.000+00:002007-02-15T10:57:00.000+00:00Java - I think the subject of how we look at intel...Java - I think the subject of how we look at intelligence is a massive topic in its own right. It is something I am greatly interested in and have studied in a bit of detail. My assumption is that de Bono is referring to "logical" intelligence in this context.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you about being "truly" intelligent, but I also think that there is a certain type of intelligentsia who frequently get caught in the intelligence trap because they are keen to demonstrate their "superior" intelligence. Maybe it's people with superior wisdom who don't get involved.Rhythmic Diasporahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15184142486414379805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23964814.post-89033590593290298212007-02-15T10:31:00.000+00:002007-02-15T10:31:00.000+00:00Here's the one that missed the bus!I’m not entirel...Here's the one that missed the bus!<BR/><BR/>I’m not entirely sure that this view is true ‘across the board’. In fact it all depends on how ‘intelligence’ is thought of. To be truly ‘intelligent’ (for me, anyway) is to not get caught up in ego trips and try to assert points of view. If ‘intelligence’ is present, one would be able to see the aspects of the discussion objectively and assess the chances of a rational debate. And if this is found to be lacking, then the ‘intelligent’ person would not expend useless energy trying to flog a dead beast. In my view it is the ‘unintelligent’ that behave and act the way you describe your friend’s behaviour. But this is just my view (and Java’s agrees!) and I’m sure you will get some other responses from both sides of the divide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23964814.post-18770662913391837422007-02-15T08:44:00.000+00:002007-02-15T08:44:00.000+00:00Darwin - Agreed, arguments with intelligent reason...Darwin - Agreed, arguments with intelligent reasoning involved can be stimulating and interesting, but those with ignorant people are usually painful. I don't think the de Bono is saying that the more intelligent you are the more you are likely to fall into the intelligence trap. More that thick people don't!<BR/><BR/>Religious and political arguments are the 2 types I avoid fervently. No one ever changes their opinion and they just end up draining all concerned.<BR/><BR/>As I've got older and wiser(!) I've come to realise that most things are merely someone's opinion or viewpoint and it's fine for different people to hold different views. We don't have to go around trying to persuade everyone we meet that they should agree with us on everything.<BR/><BR/>PS - I love your early morning comments ;)Rhythmic Diasporahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15184142486414379805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23964814.post-45455934696490714422007-02-15T08:43:00.000+00:002007-02-15T08:43:00.000+00:00I was wondering why the singer was touring Africa ...I was wondering why the singer was touring Africa and came up with all those poverty-reduction ideas ...i like your etymology<BR/><BR/>people act weird/different in groups - any armchair pschycologist will tell you this. this doesn't deter them from being wankers or great intellects. some people just like to take a stance on anything..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23964814.post-86968841254621210702007-02-15T08:31:00.000+00:002007-02-15T08:31:00.000+00:00Couple of thoughts on this one. I find arguments b...Couple of thoughts on this one. <BR/><BR/>I find arguments based on intelligence easier to handle than those based on ignorance. At least with logic and rationality, you can get somewhere. Hence why I avoid religious debates with people. <BR/><BR/>That said, I find arguments tiring regardless. Most people don't really care about my opinion when they argue with me; they just want me to change my opinion and agree with theirs (and give them the ego-boost of being told "yeah you're right"). I don't see the point in arguments like this. There is no genuine interest to know a different viewpoint. <BR/><BR/>Similarly, with some arguments, there is no resolution. You can't argue with someone that pink is nicer than red, it's simply a matter of individual preference. No one can 'win' it.<BR/><BR/>Based on all this, I tend to nod my head, give the person the satisfaction of thinking he's won the argument so he'd fuck off faster and leave me alone after that.Darwinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17662013387101984384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23964814.post-42075855644511638082007-02-15T07:46:00.000+00:002007-02-15T07:46:00.000+00:00Indyana - Yes you're right, although I reckon this...Indyana - Yes you're right, although I reckon this blogging thing may be the ultimate form of armchair philosophy or intellectualism!<BR/><BR/>Gowri - Thank you very much. It's very hard not to get into a discussion sometimes though isn't it? I suppose it's entirely possible that your friend might be a no logic pessimist who is also intelligent.Rhythmic Diasporahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15184142486414379805noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23964814.post-83879214861170465512007-02-15T04:53:00.000+00:002007-02-15T04:53:00.000+00:00Enjoyed reading your post. I have a similar friend...Enjoyed reading your post. I have a similar friend in my circle and he always argues to his point ( like if we look at a rabbit and say it has four legs he would say no it has three legs and keep on arguing). Recently, I just stopped getting into arguements cause he would always want to win his point and there is so much negative vibes around when he starts..... I never knew thought of him as an highly intelligent person but more of a pessimistic no logic person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23964814.post-83762495951484551632007-02-15T03:55:00.000+00:002007-02-15T03:55:00.000+00:00Yeah! The intelligence trap seems to afflict plent...Yeah! The intelligence trap seems to afflict plenty of arm chair philosophers, and intellectuals. Nothing like a good dose of reality to get them down to earth !Indyanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12652171216425101965noreply@blogger.com